Roman Catholic Religion

st. peter's

Is it better to visit the Sistine Chapel first or go to St. Peter's Church first?

Also how do I get from one to the other? Are they connected to one another? I will be there on a Tuesday in August.

(Pssst. It's called "saint peter's Basilica".)

I'd go to whichever has the shortest wait to get in. To enter the Sistine Chapel, you have to walk through the museum. This is quite literally like a half mile, which takes considerable time due to the large concentration of tourists and barely mobile folks.

In contrast, Saint Peter's is quick and easy to get in, and easy to move around inside wherever you want.

You have to walk around the outside to go between them. I imagine there are interconnections, but not for the public.

Visiting Rome in August is not recommended. Italians leave on vacation due to the heat.

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st. peter

a lady died and went to meet st peter about entrance to heaven and becoming an angel?

as she starts to ask st peter she hears a screaming sound. she enquires about the noise , st peter advises not to worry it just somebody having a couple of holes drilled in their shoulders for their wings.so she continues to ask st peter when she hears another screaming sound. once again she enquires to what the screaming is, st peter tells her its nothing to worry about its just some one having their forehead drilled for their head dress. being put off by this she tells st peter she thinks she would be beter off in hell. st peter warns her that in hell she will almost be certainly raped and buggered. to which she replies yes but i wont need any holes drilled for that.

thats funny

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saint peter's basilica

why roman catholics reserved saint peter's basilica in the sixteenth century?

The Church's teaching on the invocation of the saints is thus defined by the Council of Trent. "The saints, who reign together with Christ, offer up their own prayers to God for men. It is good and useful suppliantly to invoke them, and to have recourse to their prayers, aid and help for obtaining benefits from God, through His Son jesus christ, who alone is our Redeemer and Savior. Those persons think impiously who deny that the saints, who enjoy eternal happiness in heaven, are to be invoked; who assert that they do not pray for men; who declare that asking them to pray for each of us in particular is idolatry, repugnant to the word of God, and opposed to the honor of the One Mediator of God and men, christ jesus'' (Sess. xxv.).

The Old and New Testament plainly teach the principle and the practice of asking the prayers of our brethren, especially of the just (James v. 16-18). God commanded Abimelech to ask Abraham's prayers: "He shall pray for thee and thou shalt live" (Gen. xx. 7, 17). God had mercy on the sinful children of Israel in the desert because Moses interceded for them (Ps. xv. 23). God said to the friends of Job: "My servant Job shall pray for you; his face I will accept" (Job xliii. 8). St. Paul in his letters continually asked the brethren to pray for him (Rom. xv. 30; Eph. vi. 18, 19; 1 Thess. v. 25).

Is it reasonable to suppose that the Christian, who prayed for his brethren while upon earth, will lose all interest in them, once he reaches the kingdom of heaven? The Christian tradition from the beginning declares that the interest of the Saints in heaven will be increased a hundredfold, because they will realize then more fully our needs and necessities, and God's willingness to hearken to their intercession. St. Jerome (340-420) is a striking witness to this fact. He writes: "If Apostles and martyrs, whilst still in the flesh and still needing to care for themselves, can pray for others, how much more will they pray for others after they have won their crowns, their victories, their triumphs. Moses, one man, obtains God's pardon for six hundred thousand armed men, and Stephen prays for his persecutors. When they are with Christ will they be less powerful? St. Paul says that two hundred and seventy-six souls were granted to his prayers, whilst they were in the ship with him. Shall he close his lips after death, and not mutter a syllable for those who throughout the world have believed in his gospel? (Adv. Vigil)

That the angels pray for men we learn from the vision of Zacharias (i. 12, 13), and from the words of the angel Raphael tc Tobias: "When thou didst pray with tears ... I offered thy prayer to the Lord" (Tob. xii. 12). Christ Himself tells us that they have an interest in us, for He says: "There shall be joy before the angels of God upon one sinner doing penance" (Luke xv. 10). In another place He warns men not to scandalize little children, for they have angels to intercede for them in heaven (Matt, xviii. 10). If the angels make intercession for us, certainly the saints, who are united to us by the bond of a common human nature, and by the supernatural bond of the Communion of Saints, have the same power and the same privilege.

The early Fathers unanimously teach the doctrine of the intercession of the saints.

St. Hilary (366) writes: "To those who would fain stand, neither the guardianship of the saints, nor the protection of the angels is wanting" {In Ps., cxxiv.).

St. Cyril of Jerusalem (315-386) writes: "We then commemorate those who have fallen asleep before us, patriarchs, prophets, Apostles, and martyrs, in order that God, by their prayers and intercessions, may receive our petitions" (Myst., v., 9).

St. John Chrysostom (344-407) writes: "When thou per-ceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to His enemies . . . but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power" (Orat., viii., Adv. Jus., 6).

Catholics firmly believe in the unique mediatorship of Jesus Christ (1 Tim. ii. 5), and the Council of Trent emphasizes this very doctrine when declaring her teaching on the invocation of saints. Catholics believe that Jesus christ alone redeemed us by His Death upon the Cross, thus reconciling us to God, and making us partakers of His grace here and His glory hereafter. No divine gift can reach us except through Christ and the merits of His Sacred Passion. Therefore, every prayer we pray, and every prayer in heaven of the Blessed Virgin, the angels and the saints, have their efficacy only through Jesus christ our lord. The saints simply add their prayers to ours, and, although specially pleasing to God because of their greater holiness, they aid us only through the merits of the One Mediator.

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st. peter's basilica

How many people here agree with the Pope that we should gather with others to pray?

While receiving in audience members of the chapter of St. Peter's Basilica, the group entrusted with the care of the ancient church, the Pope said , ""Prayer is a service to the Lord, who deserves to be praised and adored, and at the same time it is a witness to others. And where God is praised and adored with faithfulness, blessing is not lacking."

CJ is right. By asking us to pray, the pope is clearly teaching a false gospel. Where in the bible does it tell us to pray? Have you even read the bible? Obviously these are the words of the devil. Pretty soon the pope is going to start asking us to worship God and praise Jesus, which is also clearly not in the bible.

Also, as CJ astutely pointed out, trying to be a good person will obviously lead to eternal hell. Is CJ the only one with any common sense here?

(note sarcasm)

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